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Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 4:04 AM

How can I connect internet to my HR-24 through the COAXIAL DECA network (not using the ethernet port), if my system does not use a SWM?

I bought a DECA but am not sure it will work without a SWM system.  I bought the wireless cinema connection kit, but without a SWM system it also seems to want me to connect through the ethernet port.  There is possibly a functional failure inside the receiver, but I'm hoping there's a chance that it only affects the ethernet port.  It says it is connected to the internet, and some functionality does work, but On Demand malfunctioned over a week ago and I cannot get it working again.

I'm now considering installing a SWM8 to get the DECA systems working, but I'm not entirely confident on how to do that.  Do I need a power inserter if no lines exceed 50 feet, and if so where do I install it?  It seems like the SWM8 needs to be installed on the outside of the house given my current installation wires, along with a 4x or 8x splitter to attach to the existing wires going to various rooms.  Do I really only need 1 line going into each DVR, or do I still need 2?

Any advice will be helpful, as right now I feel like I'm headed down a rabbit hole that isn't even going to solve my original problem.  I get that the HR-24 is outdated and that everybody wants me to upgrade, but honestly I'm considering swapping it out with my R-22 as the primary receiver if the DECA doesn't work, or perhaps connecting the wireless cinema connection kit to the R-22 and using that for On Demand downloads (directly using the ethernet port without SWM).  At this point I'd rather cut the cord entirely than upgrade equipment or have an installer inside my house, please please don't suggest either of those options!

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1 year ago

Non SWM systems don't need a power inserter that is only needed to power a SWM LNB and that is all you need to change your system to SWM and a 4way SWM splitter, AFAIK you have to have a SWM system to use DECA.  You need a DECA BB to connect to your router or net switch, you connect the Ethernet cable to the router then to the DECA, connect the power cord from  the power brick or USB port then run coax to to the SWM splitter.  Non SWM systems require that the CCKW to use the Ethernet port on the HR24 but that will disconnect the DECA circuits in the HR24 making it non Whole Home. You may need a Connected Home Adapter on the R22 to strip the internet off the coax to feed the internet to the Ethernet port.  DTV will have to active Whole Home($3) to watch programs recorded on both receivers on each other.   A SWM8/16 module needs a 29V power inserter.  You can use the CCKW coax connectors to provide internet to both with a SWM system.

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1 year ago

I want to convert my non-SWM HR-24 (with direct ethernet connection) and R-22 setup (with no internet) to a SWM system so that the internet can be shared between the 2 receivers and received through the COAX on the HR-24 (instead of the ethernet).  I kinda understand how to setup the WCCK, DECA BB Adapter and Connected Home Adapters (via wiring diagrams).  I'm confused about the SWM8....

So I do need a power inserter with the SWM8 module?  But then how do I connect it?  I currently have 4 wires coming out of the satellite, which are basically attached along the outside of the house to the rooms.  There are currently 8 wires going into 4 rooms each (2 wires into each room and then into the receivers).  Only 2 of the rooms are currently connected to the 4 wires coming out of the satellite.  The wires from the other 2 rooms are currently disconnected on the outside of the house.  My understanding was this was all that could be used (without a SWM), and no SWM has ever been installed because I never had more than 2 DVRs.  However, if I install a SWM8 (which is necessary anyway for the DECA), then I think all the rooms could be wired simultaneously.  (In the past, I've had to go outside and switch which wires are attached in order to move the tv to a different room.)

So this is what I'm thinking:  SWM8 installed outside and attached to the 4 wires coming out of the satellite dish (the wires are all kinda attached so I can't change the order, but either direction will work?).  Then the SWM8 output line (SWM or SWM2?) will go into the 8x splitter, which will attach to the 8 lines going into the 4 rooms.  I've seen 2 versions of the 8x splitter, one with all 9 ports on the front, and the other with the green label with the input on top and the 8 outputs on the front.  Does it matter which one I use?  So then inside the 2 rooms with the receiver, do I still need to attach both lines to the receivers, or only 1 now because they have internal SWMs?  Where should I attach the power inserter?  In one of the rooms without a receiver to the unused coax wall ports?  In a room with a receiver to the unused port if I only need 1 now?  Or inline as shown in the diagrams between the SWM and a receiver?  Does it need to be connected to the output on the splitter that is red and says power pass?  Does any of it matter at all?

Once the SWM is connected, then my plan would be this:

SWM->WCCK->either receiver.  Once it is SWM connected, it no longer needs to use the ethernet connection to the HR-24 and should connect only via the coax.  Alternatively, WCCK->DECA Connected Home Adapter (white)->ethernet connection to the R22.  Theoretically the HR-24 should be automatically connected via the SWM to the internet via Coax when the WCCK is installed on the R-22, or the R-22 should be connected via the white DECA Connected Home Adapter when the WCCK is installed on the HR-24.

Failing getting this working, my plan is:

A).  Switch the boxes so that the R-22 (a hybrid model that does actually deliver HD) is now my primary receiver and hard wired via ethernet cable to my router, despite it being older and having a smaller hard drive than the HR-24.  That box has never been connected to the internet, so I won't miss the lost functionality on the HR-24 if I move it to that location.

B).  Install the WCCK on the R-22 in its existing location, and switch to only being able to watch On Demand in that location from now on.

C).  Move the R-22 between rooms as desired to watch live TV upstairs or On Demand downstairs....

ACE - Expert

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1 year ago

Yes, the SWM8 needs a 29v power inserter.  It connects to either the middle power port  on the SWM8 or to the red power pass though port on the SWM splitter.

All four coaxes from the dish are connected to it, the order doesn't matter.

Once connected the SWM1 goes to the splitter and then you only need one coax to each room unused coaxes connected to the SWM8 should have terminator caps on them.

You can add the CCKW to either one of the receivers it goes inline with the "To SWM" or maybe "To Wall" connects to the SWM splitter then the "TO IRD goes to the Connected Home Adapter on the R22 or to the SWM1 port on the HR24.  You will need to reboot the HR24 after connecting to switch from Ethernet to the DECA circuits. 

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1 year ago

Thanks.  Sounds like that's what I was thinking.  Maybe only use a x4 splitter if I only need 1 wire to each room now, still outside connected to SWM8.  Power inserter connected inside, inline with either receiver (closer one to dish), going to red out port on splitter?  Oh, and also the B-Band converters.  I saw somewhere NEVER use them with a SWM.  So just get rid of those?  What about a Band Stop Filter?  The wiring diagrams seem to use one of those with the white connected home adapter and non-green label splitter, but don't show it with the DECA 2 and green label splitter.  Also they show it between the power inserter and the splitter, but I need my splitter (outside) to be inline before the power inserter, so where should the Band Stop Filter be inserted (if I need it at all)?

You know after all this, the HR-24 is still gonna fail to connect to On Demand.  And I'll revert back to my ABC) decision on where to use the R-22 for On Demand instead....

But at least maybe next time I call Customer Service I won't have to argue with them about the fact that I don't have a SWM (2 reps have insisted that my receivers won't get signal without them and that I MUST have one already!).  Thanks again!

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ACE - Expert

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1 year ago

The CCKW puts the internet on the coax and sent to both.

The "To SWM" port on the power inserter goes to the red power pass through port then the "To IRD" to the receiver.

SWM systems don't need the BBC.  The B band stop filter stops the internet and is only used in apt/condos to keep others from deleting programs/seeing your play list and setting up recordings.

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