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Friday, July 24th, 2020 8:05 PM

U-verse App... Menu Gone

I just fired up the U-verse app on my Android phone to record a ball game.  When it opened, I get this huge add for "HBO max".  What I don't see is the menu where I could pick the guide and set a recording.  If I click on the add, it takes me to an AT&T web page which has a menu, but obviously it's not the app's menu.

 

Oh... wait... when I tried to exit the app, it prompted me for a survey... and now the regular title bar with menu is back.

 

Am I alone or is someone else seeing the same here.

 

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28 Messages

3 years ago

@JefferMC 

I know this is off topic, but I'm hoping you'd be kind enough to help with my problem.  I think I have a double NAT issue, but even putting my Orbi in AP mode doesn't solve it.  I've tried everything that Orbi and AT&T tech support have suggested.  All to no avail.

Here's the link to my detailed post.

https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-fiber-equipment/the-dreaded-double-nat/613c0295668706489482f09f

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3 years ago

@JefferMC 

Are you still unable to view the EPG inside the app?

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3 years ago

@msarrel 

I’m going to respond to your question here. 
My suggestion is to factory reset the gateway.  Don’t bother with any of that IP passthrough nonsense.   When running a router in access point mode, the gateway will continue to operate as a DHCP server and will assign requisite IP addresses to devices connected to Orbi.  This is exactly how my home network is setup.  Oh, and don’t forget to go into the management console on the gateway and shutoff the radios.  

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3 years ago

@gr8sho , no, as soon as AT&T quit running the stupid HBO Max ad in the app, the problem went away.  The ad was preventing access to the menus.

@msarrel , gr8sho and I disagree about whether it is better to run your own router in Access Point mode or in Router mode with IP Passthrough.  His opinion is that Access Point is preferable.  My opinion is that either way is fine, depending on what you want.

There should be no way to have double NAT if your Orbi is in Access Point mode.  If you really are having double NAT, then you should look closer into your Orbi settings and/or maybe reboot it and/or factory reset it and start over.

If you want to use all the Orbi features, you'll need to run it in Router mode, which means putting the Gateway in IP Passthrough mode for it.  Here I agree with gr8sho in that you should do a factory reset before trying to set that up.

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3 years ago

@gr8sho @JefferMC Thanks for the replies.  The short answer is that I’ve tried both router mode and AP mode, and the ping timeout problem shows up in both.  Just the evening, I ran some tests with no Orbi at all (router and satellite powered off).  Using the native WiFi of the AT&T gateway, I see a lot of individual ping timeouts.  On a wired connection, I also see timeouts that are ten to twenty seconds long.  That is, basically the same symptom as with the Orbi WiFi.  Do I just need a new gateway?

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3 years ago

That would depend.  What address are you pinging against?  Try pinging the first hop beyond your gateway.

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3 years ago

@msarrel 

Can you please confirm the gateway is in its most basic mode when the Orbi is set to access point mode?

As for your secondary problem, what exactly is prompting you to look at pings and so forth?   Are you VDSL2 connected or fiber or…?

Using Orbi at all is really only a necessary solution to provide good WiFi, which the Arris hardware could never do for all gateways BGW210 and earlier.  

28 Messages

3 years ago

@JefferMC 

I'm pinging the first router at the AT&T CO.  Below are my ping command and the trace route to 8.8.8.8

$ ping 162.207.92.1

$ traceroute 8.8.8.8
traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254)  1.405 ms  1.156 ms  0.970 ms
 2  162-207-92-1.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net (162.207.92.1)  2.103 ms  2.435 ms  1.948 ms
 3  70.232.229.68 (70.232.229.68)  3.507 ms  3.673 ms  3.832 ms
 4  12.242.115.21 (12.242.115.21)  3.632 ms  9.726 ms  4.089 ms
 5  12.255.10.174 (12.255.10.174)  3.424 ms
    12.255.10.176 (12.255.10.176)  4.323 ms  3.992 ms
 6  10.252.217.190 (10.252.217.190)  3.572 ms
    10.252.198.126 (10.252.198.126)  3.532 ms *
 7  142.250.226.107 (142.250.226.107)  5.466 ms
    dns.google (8.8.8.8)  4.188 ms  3.777 ms

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3 years ago

So you are doing continuous pings to 162.207.92.1?  And what is the loss rate?

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3 years ago

Can you please confirm the gateway is in its most basic mode when the Orbi is set to access point mode?

Yes.  I've been working this issue for months, so there have been a lot of reconfiguration.  But, my intent is that I only do two things:  1) enable passthrough mode, and 2) turn off all the firewall rules.

As for your secondary problem, what exactly is prompting you to look at pings and so forth?   Are you VDSL2 connected or fiber or…?

I notice problems when using my internet connection for ordinary things.  I play the board game called go, and I frequently get disconnected from the server in the middle of my games.  It's a board game like chess, so it uses a tiny amount of network bandwidth.  Nothing stressing about it.

Using Orbi at all is really only a necessary solution to provide good WiFi, which the Arris hardware could never do for all gateways BGW210 and earlier.  

I got the Orbi to make sure I had good coverage around the whole house.  When we upgraded to fiber from DSL, we had to move the gateway to a different room that was not as centrally located.

28 Messages

3 years ago

@JefferMC It's not so much about the average loss rate, but rather long continuous outages.

In a recent  test, I did 89,376 pings (one per second).  Out of that, there were 582 timeouts.  That's a rate of 0.65%.  The impact comes because they are grouped together like this for ten or twenty seconds at a time.

64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16355 ttl=63 time=12.860 ms
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16356 ttl=63 time=15.306 ms
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16357 ttl=63 time=12.415 ms
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16358 ttl=63 time=8.696 ms
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16359
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16360
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16361
92 bytes from dsldevice.attlocal.net (192.168.1.254): Destination Host Unreachable
Vr HL TOS  Len   ID Flg  off TTL Pro  cks      Src      Dst
 4  5  00 5400 d609   0 0000  3f  01 e4d9 192.168.1.77  162.207.92.1 

Request timeout for icmp_seq 16362
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16363
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16364
92 bytes from dsldevice.attlocal.net (192.168.1.254): Destination Host Unreachable
Vr HL TOS  Len   ID Flg  off TTL Pro  cks      Src      Dst
 4  5  00 5400 cfb9   0 0000  3f  01 eb29 192.168.1.77  162.207.92.1 

92 bytes from dsldevice.attlocal.net (192.168.1.254): Destination Host Unreachable
Vr HL TOS  Len   ID Flg  off TTL Pro  cks      Src      Dst
 4  5  00 5400 d9cc   0 0000  3f  01 e116 192.168.1.77  162.207.92.1 

Request timeout for icmp_seq 16365
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Request timeout for icmp_seq 16376
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Request timeout for icmp_seq 16379
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16380
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Request timeout for icmp_seq 16393
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16394
Request timeout for icmp_seq 16395
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16396 ttl=63 time=4.231 ms
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16397 ttl=63 time=5.172 ms
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16398 ttl=63 time=5.023 ms
64 bytes from 162.207.92.1: icmp_seq=16399 ttl=63 time=5.098 ms

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3 years ago

You need to open a service ticket.  It appears to me that your Gateway is losing connection to the Fiber device upstream.  It may be that your light is marginal.

OTOH, maybe your cat is playing with the fiber drop when this happens.  ;-)

28 Messages

3 years ago

@JefferMC I've opened service tickets with AT&T level 2 support a couple of times.  The last time, they ran some diagnostics and checks, and didn't find any problem.  I don't know the magic words to say to them to help them find the issue.

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3 years ago

I finished reading the entire thread.  I’d focus my energy on life after the fiber installation as you may have a completely different kettle of fish to fry.   

Unless you need your Orbi to do some specific function, I’m sticking to my guns on access point mode. 

Finally, if att does install the BGW320 integrated box, it supports WiFi 6, so it’s possible the Orbi will be unnecessary unless you need a larger footprint coverage.  

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3 years ago

Yeah, intermittent problems can be nearly impossible to get fixed because they're only visible for a short period.

You can try retentions (i.e. threaten to cancel because of poor service... then they may send someone out for you).

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